Monday 19 January 2015

Legolas from The Lord of the Rings














And now, Legolas Greenleaf! Everyone’s favourite elf! Teenager-girls’ day dream, Orlando Bloom, knows pretty well how to shoot with a bow, but there are some issues with the character of Legolas.

Mistakes:

1. The most frequent issue is that Legolas shoots sideways. Many times, not always, but a lot, as these pictures show. I calculated the angles he holds his longbow, and I put the pictures in order from the straight vertical (90º angle from the horizon level) from almost completely horizontal position of the bow (25º angle). I don’t know who’s fault is this, maybe the directors’.

2. At the picture A Legolas has very amateurish grip, as if he weren’t instructed at all, and this would be just some promotional photo before the actual archery training started for the actor. I don’t know about that, but he has the arrow on the wrong side of the bow, and he holds it between his index and middle fingers, which is going to hurt (and possibly effect the missiles flight) when the arrow is released.

3. At the same picture Legolas also draws the string with only two fingers, instead of the “standard” mediterranean grip of three fingers. Three is better, more stabile. Four is too much, and two is too less.

4. At the picture D our Mirkwoodian shoots two arrows at once. I wonder why would anyone do that? Since the arrows will hit pretty much the same target. What are two arrows going to do what one can’t? If my physics calculations aren’t way off, the power of the bow now transfers to two different arrows, rather than putting all the pushing force into one missile, thus decreasing the effect of the arrows by half! That’s actually worse than shooting just one arrow. If one arrow penetrates the armour of the enemy, that’s enough. If the target is not wearing any armour, one arrow will kill it, if the aim is right. No need for two arrows. The double arrows are less likely to penetrate an armour, since the halved force. This is more Hollywoodian than Mirkwoodian.

5. I don’t know what happens in the picture F with his gripping hand, seems like an idiotic photoshop error, but anyway his grip is too far away from the face. Otherwise Bloom’s archery form is excellent (if the bow would stay upwards all the time, but he’s probably been asked to do it sideways). In the picture G you can see how the bowstring will hit his hanging sleeve, because of this unnatural position.

6. Back quiver. But almost everyone in all the media has it. It was rarely used, sometimes, somewhere, somewhen. Maybe. It is possible to draw arrows from a back quiver if it’s made and positioned right, but it would be much easier and practical to draw them from a hip quiver. Tauriel has it, why not you, Legolas? “Why not me, you ask, because I’m too good for that, it doesn’t give me any challenge! It’s too easy to kill orcs anyway, it get’s boring. The back quiver gives me a little extra, when I have to calculate how much I have my infinite arrows left, since I can’t see them.”


Not an error, but…

In the movies Legolas shoots extremely fast. It is in fact possible to shoot as fast as he do, but with a different method. It requires the arrows to be held in hands, either in the bow hand or the string hand. Thus can be shot four to five arrows at the same speed rate as Legolas does. It is not possible to draw them from a quiver at that rate. But this is not an error in Tolkien’s universe, since Legolas is supposed to be superhumanly fast, because he’s an elf!

And elves are the best.


Good:

Bloom has learned his archery well, since his form is in most cases perfect, although many times the bow is held sideways. He has also helped to popularize archery to modern youth, of whom many has started the hobby because of that.

17 comments :

  1. Nothing wrong with back quivers, in fact hey were used more than people give credit for. As for you can't shoot quickly from a quiver, well from my back quiver with my 65lb English Longbow I can shoot 9 arrows in 30 seconds, if I removed my nock in points I could do more.
    Seeing as Legal as is running and doing various stunts with his back quiver I think we can assume it's pretty well fitted.
    Also you don't have to keep a bow at 90 degrees, true you get more distance as you get longer draw as the string isn't restricted, though there are time canting a bow can be useful as it can offset the archers paradox.
    Number of fingers; I agree 3 is good, but 2 can be used and has ben used historically as well, also watch the elves at Helms deep (yeah the ones that shouldn't be there) they use two fingers, their gloves cover just those two fingers whilst the humans use three fingers.

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    1. Back quivers were not used as much as waist belt quivers, and because of a reason(s).
      It is faster to take an arrow from a waist quiver, than from your back.
      It is more secure, it does not fly around and drop you arrows while running and jumping (like Legolas does).
      It is easier to see how many arrows are left.

      There might have been back quivers used historically, but the fastest archers (like Parthians, Skythians, Persians, Huns and Mongolians) used waist quivers. For a reason. Stationary archers can very well use back quivers, but I don't see much point in doing so, other than (nowadays movie inspired?) fashion statement.

      I appreciate your insight on this anyway, and hey, thanks for commenting! :)

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    3. If you use howard hill style you can nock the arrow with one circular movement. Instead with waist quiver you are forced to do more movement. So with waist quiver you don't become clearly faster.

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  2. He is not shooting as a target archer this is field archery where your stance and bow position change on each target as no two targets are the same

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    1. I know that, but there is no point of sideways shooting in any circumstances. Not with a longbow anyway, since it restricts the maximum possible draw length of the bow. Why would Legolas want to shoot with less force? There's clearly enough space to hold the bow in any position he wants. And he's also quick enough to shoot in any position, but why to select an inferior one over a more practical and overall better one?

      The truth is the director (or somone) just thought it "looked cooler" in the film.

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    2. In hunting situations, there are many legitimate reasons to cant a longbow. For instance, imagine stalking an animal while crouching/crawling. Without standing, how do you shoot your bow? Or imagine obstacles above you (tree limb, rock outcropping). Also, canting a bow in no way restricts the draw length. That doesn't even make sense.

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    3. That might be true for hunting animals, where you should hide crouching in the bushes. But Legolas is not hunting, he's killing orcs in a battle. There's no reason to to crouch to hide himself in a battle, thus no reason to cant the bow. In all these shots he is standing upright.

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    4. That's a bit of a nonsensical statement. What reason would one want to hide themselves in a battle🤔 Really? The 10000 plus army in front of him with weapons and ability to fire them at him too maybe😂😂

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    5. Legolas does not hide when enemies are near. He goes actively to kill as many of them as he can. When there were the 10 000 Uruk-hai of Saruman, Legolas was standing on the wall of the fortress of Hornburg. He did not have to hide and had no reason to cant his bow.

      In these pictures Legolas is mainly in the woods, hunting down orcs while running, and had no need for canting the bow. When the Uruk-hai search party reached the fellowship at Amon Hen, Legolas did not hide, he actively run against the orcs shooting many of them.

      In the picture C Legolas is in Moria, in the Chamber of Mazarbul, waiting for the goblins to trash through the door. What would be the point of canting the bow here again? I'll answer: there is no reason.

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  3. my issue is: aren't the arrows on the wrong side of the bow? Is it not faster to shoot from your thumb when drawing rather than bring the arrow all the way over to the other side of the bow and use your fist?

    Also at least they got the wrist guard, however his fingers would be blistered without the draw glove?

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    1. I'm not the most educated person on this but I recently learned that if you are shooting bow from horse back, the arrow would go on the opposite side of the bow than it usually does. So it's possible he's using that technique seeing as how he does ride a horse sometimes.

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    2. There are different styles of archery that include traditional ways to put the arrow on the bow.

      In most cases, in Western (European) archery archers used the Mediterranean draw (with three fingers), the arrow going on the left side of the bow.

      Horse archers and other Eastern (Asian) archers used most of the time the Mongolian draw (with thumb), the arrow going on the right side of the bow.

      Exceptions did occur, there are for example medieval European illustrations with archers using the Mediterranean draw with the arrow on the right side of the bow, maybe for speed, but we don't really know the reason.

      Legolas on the other hand is never seen shooting from horseback, neither there is any horse riding archery practising nomadic peoples on Middle Earth, at least none are shown (or told about) in the movies.

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  4. Hi, I don't know if this is the right place to ask this, but anyway...
    Could you please review the archery of the orc (uruk-hai?) that kills Boromir in the Fellowship of the Ring? I have no archery knowledge, but there's something about how the orc draws his bow that looks weird. Many thanks in advance!

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  5. I did it, thanks for the suggestion, it was really interesting for me to review.
    https://craparchery.blogspot.com/2020/05/uruk-hai-archery-from-lord-of-rings.html

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  6. There is no wrong side of the bow. The right side works perfectly fine, and many times, much faster. Although, I agree that placing the arrow between the middle and index is a grave mistake.

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  7. Canting the bow comes down to personal preference, and is more common in traditional shooters. It does serve a purpose of clearing the shooter's sight picture by minimizing the view of the top half of the bow, and also allowing the shooter's eye to get closer in-line with the arrow, as you can see Legolas doing in Figure G. There is nothing wrong with this technique and I think it feels more natural than a stiff, upright position.

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